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		<title>1960&#8217;s Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Roberge]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I’ve only owned two Kay tube amps, and they were both keepers. One was a pretty standard (for its era) dual 6V6 with tremolo (a really rich and deep tremolo). It had a tone pretty close to the Silvertone 1482, its Dano-made Airline counterpart, the rare 1964 Ampeg Reverberocket with 6V6’s (wow, what an amp!) Lectrolab 600B (though this is the best of the bunch, IMO) and any number of other cheapie versions/variations of a Tweed Deluxe.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve only owned two Kay tube amps, and they were both keepers. One was a pretty standard (for its era) dual 6V6 with tremolo (a really rich and deep tremolo). It had a tone pretty close to the Silvertone 1482, its Dano-made Airline counterpart, the rare 1964 Ampeg Reverberocket with 6V6’s (wow, what an amp!) Lectrolab 600B (though this is the best of the bunch, IMO) and any number of other cheapie versions/variations of a Tweed Deluxe. It’s interesting that all these Chicago and New Jersey bargain companies were churning out these amps that now get called a “poor person’s Tweed Deluxe”—these great 6V6 amps with tons of snarl and growl long after Leo Fender had left Tweed pastures for the cleaner, tighter sound of the Tolex models. By 1964, when Danos and Lectrolabs were still sounding like proto-Neil Young dirt, Fender had long left behind the loose sag and grit of the Tweed Deluxe, replacing it with the much tighter, much stiffer (though still a cool amp) Deluxe Reverb.</p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong. The Deluxe Reverb is a great amp. But the Fenders I love pretty much all fall in the tweed era, where there wasn’t a ton of great headroom and you got into a nice snarl pretty early in the sweep of the volume knob.</p>
<div id="attachment_3091" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img class="size-full wp-image-3091" title="1960's Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp" src="http://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-01.jpg" alt="1960's Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp" width="500" height="440" srcset="https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-01.jpg 500w, https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-01-300x264.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /><p class="wp-caption-text">1960&#39;s Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp</p></div>
<p>You don’t see a bunch of the dual 6V6 single 12” Kays. The models you tend to see the most are the little (and somewhat anemic) single-ended practice amp, the 703. And the Kay tube amp you tend to see the least is the VERY cool duel 6L6 (sometimes) Kay 507 Twin Ten.</p>
<div id="attachment_3092" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img class="size-full wp-image-3092" title="1960's Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp" src="http://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-03.jpg" alt="1960's Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp" width="500" height="399" srcset="https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-03.jpg 500w, https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-03-300x239.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /><p class="wp-caption-text">1960&#39;s Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp</p></div>
<p>As the name suggests, the amp pushes two (ALNICO) 10” speakers powered by a pair of 6L6’s. What’s weird is that a LOT have 7868’s as output tubes and use a 7199 in the circuit. 7868’s have a great tone, in general. They are, from what I’ve read, essentially the same tube as a 7591, but with nine pins instead of eight. 7199’s got used a lot in Ampegs and Sanos and they are very rare and they aren’t made anymore, so they tend to cost a lot of dough. So, buyer beware (especially about the 7199) on this amp. BUT, the model I have has what are obviously original 6L6’s and no rare or obscure preamp tubes (five 12AX7’s do the preamp and phase inverter jobs) and the old stand-by 5U4 for rectification. Mine is all original—as the schematic inside matches what’s in the amp. But there seem to have been some variations on the construction of the 507—so, ask the seller about/check the tubes when buying so you know what your 507 has in it.</p>
<div id="attachment_3093" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img class="size-full wp-image-3093" title="1960's Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp" src="http://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-04.jpg" alt="1960's Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp" width="500" height="375" srcset="https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-04.jpg 500w, https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-04-300x225.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /><p class="wp-caption-text">1960&#39;s Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp</p></div>
<p>Also, it’s one of the coolest looking amps you’ll see. It has two channels (two inputs per channel), a VERY snazzy chrome rear control panel with six knobs (tone and volume for each channel and speed and intensity for the tremolo). And it has a very 50’s-looking two tone appearance (even though it lists that they were made 1960-1963), brown rear and light brown front with a white swirl on brown cloth grill. It’s a great size—not too heavy and 24” wide by 20” tall.</p>
<div id="attachment_3094" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img class="size-full wp-image-3094" title="1960's Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp" src="http://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-05.jpg" alt="1960's Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp" width="500" height="375" srcset="https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-05.jpg 500w, https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-507-twin-ten-vintage-guitar-amp-05-300x225.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /><p class="wp-caption-text">1960&#39;s Kay 507 Twin Ten Vintage Guitar Amp</p></div>
<p>OK, it looks cool, but how does it sound? Pretty freaking cool. It sounds a lot like the other great Chicago amps of the same period. And this is where things get kind of interesting—who made these Kay amps? It has a tone very much like the great Valcos (which ended up branded, at various times, Supro, Airline and, in the 400 series, Harmony). And, like a Valco, it has a tone a bit like some of the great Lectrolabs, too (I’ve seen Lectrolabs branded under their own name and also with Philharmonic and the 300 series of Harmony amps). But, it’s not made by either Valco or Lectrolab (I get this info from a friend of mine who knows more about off-brand amps than anyone I know and has a collection to prove it). It also doesn’t look like a Valco or Lectrolab under the hood. It’s simply made differently (though it is point-to-point like both of those brand—no hand stuffed circuit board like on a Tweed Fender). According to my friend, it was Kay who actually made these Kay amps over these years (go figure). As I say, this friend knows a lot more than me and has written several books on the Chicago giants. Plus, it’s easy to tell from looking that it wasn’t made by Valco or Lectrolab. So, if it isn’t easy to tell who DID make it, at least we know who DIDN’T.</p>
<div id="attachment_3095" style="width: 510px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img class="size-full wp-image-3095" title="1960's Kay Dual 6V6 Vintage Guitar Amp" src="http://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-dual-6v6-vintage-guitar-amp-01.jpg" alt="1960's Kay Dual 6V6 Vintage Guitar Amp" width="500" height="406" srcset="https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-dual-6v6-vintage-guitar-amp-01.jpg 500w, https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-dual-6v6-vintage-guitar-amp-01-300x243.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /><p class="wp-caption-text">1960&#39;s Kay Dual 6V6 Vintage Guitar Amp</p></div>
<p>Whoever made it, though, it’s a wonderful amp. At low volume, you get a VERY rich and textured clean sound. The two ten inch speakers sound great and the cleans are very complex, much like a Tweed Fender Super from the early 50’s. This is one of the richest, thickest (without being overly dark) cleans I have ever heard in a vintage amp. And when you add the tremolo, wow! It moves from a VERY slow, pulsing tremolo, to a pretty fast one—but it never gets totally choppy and helicopter-sounding like a lot of the late 60’s tremolos. Throughout the range of the “strength” control, the tremolo stays watery and smooth. Just a killer sound.</p>
<div id="attachment_3096" style="width: 460px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img class="size-full wp-image-3096" title="1960's Kay Dual 6V6 Vintage Guitar Amp" src="http://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-dual-6v6-vintage-guitar-amp-02.jpg" alt="1960's Kay Dual 6V6 Vintage Guitar Amp" width="450" height="402" srcset="https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-dual-6v6-vintage-guitar-amp-02.jpg 450w, https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/1960s-kay-dual-6v6-vintage-guitar-amp-02-300x268.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px" /><p class="wp-caption-text">1960&#39;s Kay Dual 6V6 Vintage Guitar Amp</p></div>
<p>Turned up, it sounds more like a 6V6 amp than most 6L6 amps I’ve ever heard. Very Neil Young and Crazy Horse. If you push the volume on the channel you’re using to 6 or higher, it starts to really snarl and have a complex great sounding distortion. The volume and tone controls are interactive, too, so you can get some very nice textures of distortion by either coupling the channels with a short cord, or just playing with the volume of the channel you’re not using. Open it up full and put the other channel around 5 or 6 and it sounds VERY much like Neil Young’s tone on RAGGED GLORY—that opening of “Country Home” sounds spot on when this amp is cranked.</p>
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<p>It’s a sleeper. And there don’t seem to be too many of them out there. I haven’t heard the 7868 output tube version of this amp, but I’d sure like to. In any case, if you see one of the 507 Twin Tens with 6L6 output tubes, I’d buy it in a heartbeat. I’m doing a MAJOR purge around here—selling at least five guitars and five amps. And I kept going back and forth on the Kay 507. Then I plugged it in to write this and I decided I’d be nuts to get rid of it. There simply aren’t that many of them. And I don’t want to feel like I felt about letting go of my 4X6V6 Danelectro Challenger with a 15 inch speaker. That was another super rare amp I let go of, and I still get angry at myself. From now on, I’ve vowed to only get rid of stuff I could easily replace if I truly regretted the sale. So this one stays.</p>
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		<title>Odd&#8217;s &#038; Mod&#8217;s</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 13:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Roberge]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Last year at NAMM, Eastwood grand poobah Mike Robinson and I were talking about hot rods and custom jobs. He’d said one of the truly fun things he dug about motorcycle riding was tripping out your bike with custom touches that made it your own. This led into talk about custom guitars and some of his favorite custom shots people had sent in to him with their modified Eastwoods and Airlines. He sent me a couple of cool pictures at one point of wild things people had done to their guitars, and it got me thinking about a long-neglected project of mine with an old Silvertone/Danelectro. Most of the mods I do are on amps—and they tend to be unseen, unless you look under the hood—but here was a guitar job that would be obvious to anyone who saw it.</p>
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				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year at NAMM, Eastwood grand poobah Mike Robinson and I were talking about hot rods and custom jobs. He’d said one of the truly fun things he dug about motorcycle riding was tripping out your bike with custom touches that made it your own. This led into talk about custom guitars and some of his favorite custom shots people had sent in to him with their modified Eastwood&#8217;s and Airline&#8217;s. He sent me a couple of cool pictures at one point of wild things people had done to their guitars, and it got me thinking about a long-neglected project of mine with an old Silvertone/Danelectro. Most of the mods I do are on amps—and they tend to be unseen, unless you look under the hood—but here was a guitar job that would be obvious to anyone who saw it.</p>
<p>While I spend most of the time in this column writing about very cool pieces that came as they are from budget factories in the 60’s, sometimes a piece begs for modification. Sometimes (adding a Bigsby on anything I can, for instance), the mod is minimal and reversible. Sometimes, a beat up guitar or amp shows up begging for more than a simple mod and they become a kind of Frankenstein’s Monster. Case in point: this Silvertone (Danelectro-made) 1448 (i.e., the one pickup “Amp in Case” guitar).</p>
<div id="attachment_708" style="width: 266px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img class="size-full wp-image-708" title="Danelectro 1448 Electric Guitar Project (Before)" src="http://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/danelectro-1448-electric-guitar-project-01.jpg" alt="Danelectro 1448 Electric Guitar Project (Before)" width="256" height="295" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Danelectro 1448 Electric Guitar Project (Before)</p></div>
<p>As you can see in the “before” pictures, this one came with no electronics, a smashed in Masonite top and years of major neglect. I grabbed it off Craig’s list for $50, figuring I could at least use the neck. But then, other than the smashed top and no electronics, it seemed like it could be an interesting project on its own—not just a parts donor. What was there to work with/keep? A short but good list:</p>
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<li> One good neck—with Brazilian rosewood we can’t get anymore. Odd to see on such a low rent “cheap” guitar. But Danelectro necks were incredibly study and stayed very straight—which is good, since they didn’t have truss rods, after all. And, it may seem minor, but Dano’s aluminum nut contributes to the tone and is a very cool part.</li>
<li>One set of tuners. The Dano/Silvertone open back key tuners are not the best ever made but they actually hold tune of the guitar is set up well.</li>
<li>Original Dano bridge, with the “semi” (emphasis on semi) adjustable rosewood slab for intonation. Or something kinda close to intonation.</li>
<li>The back of the original guitar and the pieces of wood that all hardware would/could anchor in to. I’m no expert on Danelectros, but the wood used in the Amp-in-Case models (the hollow ones, at any rate, before the solid wood versions of 67 and 68, after the MCA takeover) is usually quoted as pine or poplar. In any case, there’s not much wood in there—enough to anchor a bridge and to hold down the Masonite top.</li>
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<p>So what did I need? Electronics and a new top. I had the cracked and beaten old Masonite top, so I used it as a template to cut a new top.</p>
<p>My options were to restore it and find some old Danelectro pickup, if I wanted to keep it original. OR, I could add two lipsticks and make it a custom job, while retaining the materials of the originals.</p>
<p>Or, the option I went with, I could make it a total one-off custom job. A buddy of mine owns a custom car shop and he was headed to a junkyard and then a metal yard and asked if I wanted to come along. Figuring a day at a junkyard and a sheet metal shop were more fun than a day of working on a book, I jumped at the chance.</p>
<p>Along with a bunch of crap I probably didn’t need, I left the yard that day with a nice sheet of brushed aluminum. I used the old, broken top as a template and cut the meal the shape of the top of the guitar. Then I ground down the sides, so no metal would come sharp off the edges.</p>
<div id="attachment_709" style="width: 548px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img class="size-full wp-image-709" title="Danelectro 1448 Electric Guitar Project (After)" src="http://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/danelectro-1448-electric-guitar-project-02.jpg" alt="Danelectro 1448 Electric Guitar Project (After)" width="538" height="342" srcset="https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/danelectro-1448-electric-guitar-project-02.jpg 538w, https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/danelectro-1448-electric-guitar-project-02-300x190.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 538px) 100vw, 538px" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Danelectro 1448 Electric Guitar Project (After)</p></div>
<p>On the old Danelectro body, there was about a ¼ inch of wood—perfect for mounting the new metal top with some sheet metal screws, which gave it a cool (to me, at least) industrial look.</p>
<div id="attachment_710" style="width: 590px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img class="size-full wp-image-710" title="Danelectro 1448 Electric Guitar Project (After)" src="http://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/danelectro-1448-electric-guitar-project-03.jpg" alt="Danelectro 1448 Electric Guitar Project (After)" width="580" height="271" srcset="https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/danelectro-1448-electric-guitar-project-03.jpg 580w, https://www.myrareguitars.com/guitar-pictures/danelectro-1448-electric-guitar-project-03-300x140.jpg 300w" sizes="(max-width: 580px) 100vw, 580px" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Danelectro 1448 Electric Guitar Project (After)</p></div>
<p>Now for electronics. The first version had some top-mounted old DeArmond Silverfoils off an old Harmony that was broken beyond repair. These sounded ok, but the look wasn’t quite right. So, next, I took off the metal top and cut out its center and mounted a modified after-market loaded Stratocaster pick guard. This took some trimming of the pick guard so it would fit the top properly but, once it did, it looked pretty snazzy. The meal also offered some of the best shielding I’ve EVER heard on a Strat-style guitar. The single coils sounded great with almost no single coil hum or buzz—not even when standing under neon sage lights. Go figure.</p>
<p>And the best thing? Something odd happened when I put the Strat electronics onto the Dano body and neck: the tone became a strange hybrid of both guitars. It sounded sort of like a Strat, but the short scale neck, along with the odd bridge and aluminum nut and (probably the biggest factor) the hollowed-out body made it sound different than any Strat I’d ever heard. It had the twangy jangle and snap of a Dano, but higher output on the pickups. A very cool combo—all for under $100 in parts and a little fun work.</p>
<p>If you’ve got a busted up old Danlelectro, it’s a modification/custom job I’d highly recommend. You’ll have the only one on your block, and it’ll sound pretty darn good, too. Happy hod-rodding!</p>
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